there was a woman, she and her sister inherited a steel plating company from their father in tracey, minnesota, and a year ago they got -- a year or two ago they got a contract for arming humvees, putting steel plating on humvees and they went out to find -- they had to hire a dozen welders. a dozen welders. they couldn't find 12 people who could do this welding. why was thaw? welding, what's so hard, you put a mask on, you have a torch. you weld stuff together. she explained to me welding is a stem job. it is a science and technology job. you have to understand met lure ji, you have to understand which metals can go with other metals. you have to understand geometry. they didn't have the people to do that. >> rose: we talk about entrepreneurial spirit which you suggested earlier, we talk about innovation. david writes about that and everybody thinks about that. have we lost that? does that need to be rekindled or is it there and moving along spectacularly well? >> well, you know, there are statistics that show that startups have slowed down. coughlin institute has done a study on th